Free will versus determinism
Introduction audio by Clif High
Bible “proof” below, assuming my reader(s) accept the Bible has some validity.
Note: I substitute the word “God” with Originator-Creator-Oversoul (OCO). I like to make up new words to describe things, to get people to think outside the box more, and I think new words are (perhaps) less triggering to people.
Lots of evil has been done (and is being done) in the name of “God”, and besides, I think my new 3 letter acronym OCO sounds more cool.
It might take supernatural assistance from OCO to believe what you are about to read. Perhaps this scientific article will help my readers understand there is some experimental evidence for this position.
My position on the next MANY points is that we don't have free will 100% of the time (partially or completely, take your pick). Our thoughts & feelings & actions run up and down a gradient of OCO's sovereignty (aka determinism--partial perceptual reality at times OR enigmatic ungraspable truth always, take your pick) versus human free will, usually without our awareness, until you learn spiritual discernment skills and learn to discern spirits and even work with them.
Nonetheless, it seems Originator-Creator-Oversoul (OCO) takes responsibility for everything that happens and describes all things AS IF the entirety of reality/realities were a simulation, and created beings (humans or angels) are mere sophisticated artificial intelligence robots.
From OCO's point of view, that's kind of the way it is at least, because OCO's "backdoor" program allows Him to override anything and/or anyone, anytime the Almighty chooses to do so. If the 2 billion professing Christians generally all have the attitude that there will always be some mystery around the things of OCO, does that mean it is disrespectful to openly discuss & debate deeper spiritual issues? Keep it all in your church? If everybody really lived like that, there would be NO conflicts, because all conflicts arise because of differing ideas about truth, which supposedly only the Being men call God knows all truth, and OCO is associated with truth.
I think it more likely that false religious leaders don't want to help their dumb sheep learn discernment of false shepherds, as they would then implicate themselves, so rather focus on entertaining their followers and discourage good questions to keep their power base, fame, and fortunes.
These false leaders use the group-think instinct in humans to support leaders and follow the majority to their advantage, since we all know the only way to keep a physical group together is to go along to get along often, and suppress your own doubts, questions, even your very self and soul, simply to make others happy.
Physical groups having never really represented OCO's spiritual group, no matter how much immature and deceived people might think their particular cult is the only one with the "truth"? It is better to engage in open spiritual warfare with the whole world on the internet to try to teach people "how" to think, rather than simply pretend you know "what" people should think and dictate it to them.
My style will be to simply ask some questions to try to get people to ponder and contemplate the answer(s) for themselves.
If scripture says, "In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will," (Ephesians 1:11) why do people insist we have 100% free will? If OCO truly works ALL things after the counsel of His own will, can we change this to say OCO only works good things after the counsel of His own will, or rather shouldn't we admit OCO works evil things too after the counsel of His own will, but eventually works these evil things for good in your life and the lives of all creation, as you contribute in your own way to your own immortal-hood and the immortal-hood of others?
If scripture says, "Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is OCO which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure (Philippians 2:13)," why do people insist we have 100% free will, when scriptures like this say OCO works within you to think & do His good pleasure, which apparently it is OCO’s pleasure, for some reason, that we do both good and evil, since it is reality. If we all have 100% free will all the time, why does this verse confirm both free will and OCO's sovereignty? Is it not more likely Holy Spirit is trying to describe the relationship of apparent free will to OCO's sovereignty by placing the two concepts together in one verse? If one part of the verse highlights our apparent free will to work out our salvation with fear and trembling (it's scary shit sometimes in other words), and yet the rest of the verse highlights OCO's sovereignty to work within us to will and to do this, does this imply 100% free will? Is it not more likely humans only have the illusion of partial free will, or the illusion of free will entirely, otherwise verses about OCO's sovereignty are superfluous? Just because most religious leaders are skilled at spiritual warfare and will rationalize away scriptures like this to justify 100% free will, does that mean they are right? Should you not trust your own ability to connect with Holy Spirit yourself and ask Him to confirm if the things I write are true?
If the Exodus 5 story of Moses confronting Pharaoh and demanding the Egyptian Pharaoh release the Israelites from slavery is a story of Pharaoh's free will, why does the Bible sometimes say Pharaoh hardened his own heart and also says OCO hardened Pharaoh's heart? Is it not more likely this story is similar to point above, where OCO describes things from the apparent human illusory free will point of view (partial or total, take your pick) sometimes, and at other times describes things from the absolute OCO's sovereignty point of view?
If the scripture says, "The preparations of the heart in man, and the answer of the tongue, is from the Lord," (Proverbs 16:1) why do people insist we have 100% free will? If this verse is to be taken seriously, does it not imply our very thoughts (preparations of the heart) and consequent words (answer of the tongue) are coming from a sovereign OCO, including lies from con men like religious leaders, who explain away the full implications of such uncomfortable verses? If people think only the good comes from OCO, because Satan and Satan deceived religious leaders promote such ideas, then why does OCO NEVER qualify the MANY sovereignty scriptures like this one? Is it not more likely people create an idol "OCO" of their own comfort and understanding rather than really trying to understand the true OCO? If the evil also comes from OCO, as Isaiah 45:7 the Lord says, "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things," does not the MANY sovereignty scriptures prove OCO means what He says that He is sovereign Creator of evil as well? Can we make a distinction that just because OCO creates evil and uses evil that this does not necessarily mean OCO Himself is evil? Is it not more likely that created beings simply have hard time understanding how OCO can create evil and perform evil with 100% loving motivations, because created beings always do evil with some evil motivations and we judge OCO by our standards? Does it not seem reasonable the true OCO, Father OCO, should not be judged by small minded created beings period, but rather implicitly trusted? "Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee." (Psalm 139:12) If light (good) and darkness (evil) are both alike to Father OCO, should not created beings, though likened as children, admit we will never fully be like the Almighty Father OCO and therefore will never fully understand Him? "I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High." (Psalm 82:6) If Father OCO proves He is a good and Almighty OCO is it not reasonable we can only trust and obey, and trust and partially understand, but never obey perfectly or understand totally, but trust and belief in the real OCO is a KEY issue in life? If the above verse says all humans are children of the most High, and yet Bible also says many people are children of the devil (1 John 3:10) does that imply OCO and the devil are the same being, or perhaps OCO is dealing with both humans and angels in human history? Could there be more to the story?
If scripture says, "Our OCO is in heaven; he does whatever pleases him," (Psalm 115:3) why do people insist we have 100% free will? If OCO does whatever He pleases, and point above (Isaiah 45:7) plainly says OCO creates evil, does it literally mean OCO is pleased to create evil and hurt people? Is OCO a sick fuck who enjoys causing evil and hurting any of His created beings, or as the rest of my site details, perhaps OCO always has many good reasons for the things He does?
If scripture says, "In their hearts humans plan their course, but the LORD establishes their steps," (Proverbs 16:9, NIV) why do people insist we have 100% free will? Does not this verse clearly say people apparently plan their own course in life, thinking they have 100% free will, but it is really the Lord who is driving their thoughts and choices, and establishing their steps, both good and evil, because OCO NEVER qualifies all the sovereignty scriptures to good alone? Is it reasonable to establish a firm doctrinal position on such a disturbing idea that OCO is the Creator of evil, as well as good, and both the good and the bad come from a sovereign OCO, without having many scriptures to back up such a claim? Since there are MANY, MANY, MANY scriptures that literally SCREAM the total sovereignty of OCO over every detail in all lives, both good and evil, but the carnal mind simply CANNOT accept this without supernatural empowerment from OCO to do so, is it reasonable I list all these verses and go into great detail on each one what they mean and how OCO is still good despite any negative implications? Is it not better to simply declare OCO is the totally sovereign cause behind every detail of life for everybody and all creation, even a sparrow dying (Matthew 10:29) and admit this will always be incomprehensible to humans and even angels, but that is why OCO is OCO, and we need to work on implicitly believing (through apparent free will) OCO about all the deep things I reveal on this site, and leave the details to Him? Is it not reasonable to do this, if we truly believe that we know OCO has 100% loving motivations behind the strange "evil" things He does, intentionally making things mysterious as well so we learn to implicitly trust Him despite difficult trying circumstances He creates to test, trial, and train His elect, to bring about the ultimate good? What might that ultimate good be? Therefore, since most cannot accept the total sovereignty of OCO and the illusory nature (partial or complete, take your pick) of apparent free will, no matter how much copious explanations I may write, is it not reasonable to lessen the detailed explanations from this point on and simply quote many verses (to prove this is not a frivolous doctrine) about OCO's sovereignty with very little explanation and challenge my readers to push into Holy Spirit yourself and ask OCO to explain more how it speaks to His goodness? Is it not also reasonable to ask my readers to try and keep the grand big picture in mind as I now run through MANY such sovereignty scriptures and make some brief points to challenge?
"Yours, Lord, is the greatness and the power and the glory and the majesty and the splendor, for everything in heaven and earth is yours. Yours, Lord, is the kingdom; you are exalted as head over all. Wealth and honor come from you; you are the ruler of all things. In your hands are strength and power to exalt and give strength to all." (1 Chonicles 29:11-12 NIV) OCO owns all in heaven and earth, and exalted as head over all means He controls it all, through apparent free will, illusion really, and we sort of don't really exist then. Ruler of all things means He controls it all. Give strength to all means He will eventually give strength to all to understand and believe truth in the right and motivating way.
"I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted." (Job 42:2) OCO can do all things, perhaps including saving all in the right and motivating way, making all good and obedient in the end, since we have no free will. This is OCO's purpose and cannot be thwarted, since none have free will to do so.
"Remember the former things of old: for I am OCO, and there is none else; I am OCO, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure." (Isaiah 46:10-11) OCO declares prophecy that always happens, declaring end from beginning, therefore we cannot have free will to change anything that has already happened from OCO's point of view. We just appear to have free will and walk it out spontaneously. It is OCO's pleasure to save all His way, and His counsel will stand and there's not a thing any can do about it, so stop complaining Hitler will be saved by fire, and the literal devil, and you too, because everybody is the same in OCO's eyes. This makes you no better or different than Hitler or the literal devil, and sorry this hurts your feelings but that is reality from OCO's point of view.
"Many are the plans in a person's heart, but it is the Lord's purpose that prevails." (Proverbs 19:21, NIV) We have many plans, thoughts, ideas, but the Lord still uses all that apparent planning of apparent free will and His purpose still is always done in the end, no matter how much you think you ultimately decided something of your own "good" or "evil" free will.
"The Lord hath prepared his throne in the heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all." (Psalm 103:19) OCO ultimately brings His throne (mind) to your heavens (mind) and His kingdom rules over all, in that you comprehend His total sovereignty and grand great plan of universal salvation by fire, and rejoice in it, and have far less negative emotions about anything anymore. Peace, virtually no fear or negative emotions anymore, content, and eager to die physically.
"And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?" (Daniel 4:35) Through the illusion of free will, OCO manipulates angels (army of heaven) as easily as entire human history (inhabitants of earth), none can prevent Him (stay His hand) or even fully comprehend (say what are you doing?), except understand the simple high level abstract idea that a good OCO has good reasons for all He does to further the grand great plan to save all, using any and all means necessary to bring all up to Christ's level eventually.
"And we know that in all things OCO works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose." (Romans 8:28) OCO is in sovereign control of every little good and evil detail to work all things, good and evil, for good for those who love Him now, first resurrectioners, who are called according to election now, and the good of those who love Him after physical death, second resurrectioners. None choose first resurrection or second of their own free will.
"The Lord does whatever pleases him, in the heavens and on the earth, in the seas and all their depths." (Psalm 135:6, NIV) OCO pleases to save all, and manipulates everybody and all things in all realities, physical and otherwise, to bring this about in the most humbling and confusing way so ultimate peace is established, never to be broken again.
"Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth." (Romans 9:18) OCO manipulates all things, all minds, both in good and evil ways, to humble and save His elect now, and ultimately all in the end. He manipulates His elect and has mercy on them now, and hardens the hearts of all others to be rebellious and not understand and end up in redemptive hell after physical death.
"The Lord hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil." (Proverbs 16:4) OCO made all things, angels, humans, all realities, for Himself to demonstrate by contrast true good versus evil, sovereignly making even wicked people for the day of doing the evil He makes them do, like Hitler.
"The king's heart is in the hand of the Lord, as the rivers of water: he turneth it whithersoever he will." (Proverbs 21:1) A king's mind (heart), like all created beings, human or angel, is manipulated by the sovereign hand of OCO, to turn that mind to do whithersoever OCO's will, either good or evil, to bring about salvation of all in the most good and perfect way in the end for all.
"Who can speak and have it happen if the Lord has not decreed it?" (Lamentations 3:37, NIV) OCO manipulates minds to speak predictions, like my site predicts the unveiling of the alien-gods (demons) deception one day, and I have no free will to speak this, but OCO makes me do this, and He will also make it happen, as OCO has decreed it. This also speaks of illusory free will as future is set in stone from OCO's point of view, while we apparently walk it out with free will, unable to change any of it, but it appears we can sometimes.
"Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" (Romans 9:21) Similar to verse about OCO making wicked people for their day of evil to do their evil things. OCO has power over the clay (people) to make one vessel of honour (first resurrection) and another unto dishonour (second resurrection) but ultimately all saved and made honourable in the end. This is OCO's sovereign choice to manipulate minds and circumstances to make His elect understand these truths on my site during OCO's 7 thousand year plan to save His elect while flesh and blood, and ultimately all creation in the manifestation of the lake of fire after the literal millennial reign of Christ soon to be inaugurated on the earth.
"The lot is cast into the lap, but its every decision is from the LORD." (Proverbs 16:33) Apparent random lots still all come out as OCO causes. This means all gambling in Las Vegas roulette wheels do not randomly land, though it appears so, and all cards and all gambling outcomes is as much illusion as who wins Lotto 6/49 jackpot, as OCO causes all these things to happen as He directly wills too.
"No man can come to me, except the Father which hatoryh sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. " (John 6:44) Father sovereignly draws, through apparent but illusory free will, the elect to Christ, for salvation. The elect cannot take credit for anything we do anymore than anyone else can. We just understand it better while flesh and blood, while none else can. Again, by OCO's sovereign will and power.
"Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you." (John 15:16) Along with point above, Father's sovereign power draws (causes) an elect to come to Christ, and then Christ causes that elect to choose Him, all through illusory free will, as Christ specifically says we don't choose Him, but He chooses us, though we seem to do so of our own free will. We grow and mature and bring forth "belief" fruit of deep truth, knowledge, and understanding, and it remains, as in we do not forget or disavow this truth. We are caused to ask Father OCO, in Christ's name, to save all the same way, and He gives this to us. We who are in the first resurrection will assist our spiritual Husband, Christ, save all in the second resurrection.
"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no OCO with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand." (Deuteronomy 32:39) OCO physically kills and physically gives life in physical birth. He causes all things, even wounds like wounds in all wars He causes, and causes healing through doctors on same battlefield. None can deliver themselves out of His sovereign power to cause all things in every life. Spiritually, the application for elect is He kills our carnal minds and builds the Mind of SophiaChristos, makes us alive in spirit (mind) with wisdom and understanding that confounds most, through a spiritually wounding process of weeping and gnashing of teeth, and eventually spiritually heals us. No demon or literal devil can deliver a true elect out of His hand to complete this process while flesh and blood.
"Lord, the OCO of our ancestors, are you not the OCO who is in heaven? You rule over all the kingdoms of the nations. Power and might are in your hand, and no one can withstand you." (2 Chronicles 20:6) OCO rules all Kingdoms literally, although it appears humans are in free will control, and even the devil and demons do not fully understand how OCO can do what He does, as they sincerely try to defeat OCO by defeating an elect, but can never ultimately defeat a true elect, any more than they defeated the real Christ. OCO's power and might is such that none can withstand Him, and even when they try, OCO is making one do that, and if they appear to win or lose, OCO is causing that, but in the end, the inability of any to withstand the real Almighty OCO is proven by all getting saved and transformed in the end.
"Behold, I am the Lord, the OCO of all flesh: is there any thing too hard for me?" (Jeremiah 32:27) OCO asks rhetorical question to which the answer should be obvious. Of course, nothing is too hard for OCO, but only the true elect can conceive of universal salvation in the right and motivating way, harmonizing all scripture to explain any verses that seem to contradict. If OCO can make a small human mind like mine understand all this, He can certainly bring it to pass, even though ALL fake religious leaders deny this. I challenge any honest seeker to take this verse to your trusted religious leader and ask them, "If this verse is really true, is it too hard for OCO to save all creation, all humans, and even literal devil and demons?" I guarantee your religious leader will have nice excuses to waffle and say it is not too hard for OCO, but other scriptures prove OCO just chooses to burn most in literal fire forever, as justice for most choosing to reject Him with their 100% free will choice. But really, since OCO is totally sovereign, it is not difficult at all for OCO to save all creation. It is actually pitifully easy for Father OCO to do this, but it seems all a difficult struggle from our point of view.
"For the Lord of hosts hath purposed, and who shall disannul it? and his hand is stretched out, and who shall turn it back?" (Isaiah 14:27) OCO purposes something to happen and it does, even though circumstances, thoughts, and choices seem to bring it about. OCO purposes to save all, and this will happen in OCO's way and timing and none can disannul it, and He stretches His hand to do it and none can turn His hand back, though everybody, even the elect, oppose universal salvation at first because of the disturbing implications of this truth. Once worked through these disturbing implications, we see traditional belief (lies) even more disturbing. Those who don't see the even more disturbing implication of accusing and thinking OCO an eternal torturer monster do so because they arrogantly think they will avoid hell somehow, but OCO says otherwise. "Everyone will be salted (saved) with fire." (Mark 9:49, NIV)
"One of you will say to me: 'Then why does OCO still blame us? For who is able to resist his will?' But who are you, a human being, to talk back to OCO? Shall what is formed say to the one who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'" (Romans 9:19, NIV) Paul here, explaining OCO's total sovereignty and the illusion of free will, also answers the common objection of why OCO still finds fault, makes us feel guilty, punishes us with negative consequences for the things He makes us do etc... My other site pages give much more detailed answers to this good question, but here Paul focuses on the bottom line: created beings must learn to NOT talk back to OCO, but rather trust Him. You can talk back to the god of this world, aka the devil, the father of lies. One typically attacks you for doing so, and the other does not. Discerning the difference between the two fathers is a key thing in life. Our judging and accusation type thinking must end,(everybody does it at first) not that we can't ask good questions. OCO encourages good questions with the right attitude and gives all the good and right answers to all His elect before they end life as flesh and blood. Fake religious leaders are the ones who do not like good questions, for the real answers do not bring them fame, fortune, or following. Accusation questions like "Why did you make me like this?" eventually become statements of understanding, "I may not like it, but I understand why you made me a sinner to start and suffer some things, and I understand the ultimate good goal of universal salvation by fire that you are working towards and appreciate I will be a hot polygamous wife before most others."
"The Lord of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass; and as I have purposed, so shall it stand." (Isaiah 14:24) OCO is the only true sovereign with free will, and He thinks it and it comes to pass, good or evil, in inanimate reality and also through illusory free will choices of sentient created beings, though from a certain point of view then we are not even sentient or really exist. OCO purposes a thing to happen, and the thing stands and comes to pass. This understanding OCO gives me seems unmatched at this time among humans. I KNOW OCO will have elect on earth to deal with the alien-OCOs (demons) when the time comes, and always has, and the elect have always died defeating the alien-godss in their hearts. But Father tells me He could use me ALONE to quite effectively deal with the alien-gods in outward reality all by my apparent lonesome. OCO has given me faith to know I could but imagine retribution on the demons, OCO causing me to think these thoughts, and also bringing these thoughts to pass. I somehow think demons are more afraid of me than most elect, because of the things I can conceive, though I am only human. But really I mean they fear the real Almighty OCO, who could use me single-handedly to defeat them all in very extreme and violent fashion, even if I had to sweat drops of blood while doing so. Because I am willing to be used as a vessel of such vengeance, they fear OCO through me.
"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love." (Ephesians 1:4) As Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world (Revelation 13:8), therefore His destiny in time was already written, though Christ struggled with free will too. We elect are also chosen before the world was even created, so our destinies were also set in stone before we were even physically born. We walk out our lives with apparent free will, while knowing this is not true, like Jesus did.
"For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which OCO hath before ordained that we should walk in them." (Ephesians 2:10) As Ephesians 2:8 says we are saved by grace through faith, the gift of OCO, and NOT of works. Salvation is automatic for everybody sooner or later, in this life or the next. Works are not necessary for salvation, but elect eventually do some crazy outward works, but with no thought it counts anything to salvation itself. But primarily, His workmanship unto good works is belief itself, thinking correctly, hearing His voice and believing His truth, the best work, sharing it too as able, but many cannot hear. OCO has before ordained we walk in them means again our destinies were written before birth, but we only appear to have free will.
"And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding." (Daniel 2:21) OCO actively causes time itself to flow moment by moment or time would stop, (changeth the times) and OCO controls the whether (seasons), both good weather and bad weather. OCO causes bad kings to be setup like Hitler even, and also caused the allies to eventually remove Hitler, in display of good (allies) versus evil (Nazis) even though such terms are always relative where humans are concerned. He causes the brain to develop from birth, giving increasing wisdom to the wise (elect) over time, and knowledge to them who know understanding like me. This is all by OCO's sovereign design and timing, though we seem to have free will and apply ourselves to the pursuit of wisdom, knowledge, and understanding.
"But he stands alone, and who can oppose him? He does whatever he pleases." (Job 23:13, NIV) Father OCO is alone in total knowledge, and total sovereign power, and the answer to the rhetorical question is obviously none can oppose Him, as OCO even causes us to oppose Him, and also causes us to stand down. OCO does whatever He pleases, through His creation, inanimate matter or sentient mind, both good and evil, and we only have the illusion of free will.
"The Lord killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up. The Lord maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up." (1 Samuel 2:6-8) Physical application is OCO sovereignly physically kills all, however they die, and physically makes alive in the womb. OCO causes the poor to be poor, and causes Bill Gates to be rich. Spiritual application is OCO sovereignly kills the elect's carnal mind and reasoning and builds the Mind of SophiaChristos within, making that elect truly alive in the spirit of wisdom and comprehension even of the mind of OCO. OCO makes the elect spiritually poor at first, as confused as everybody, lacking sense or awareness of the presence of OCO, before making that elect spiritually rich in truth, surrounded by angels and the presence of OCO.
"Consider what OCO has done: Who can straighten what he has made crooked? When times are good, be happy; but when times are bad, consider this: OCO has made the one as well as the other. Therefore, no one can discover anything about their future." (Ecclesiastes 7:13, NIV) OCO causes all things, some people to be straight and some crooked, and we cannot change people, but OCO will in time. Good times come from OCO and He also makes you happy then, but also bad times also come from OCO and He likewise makes you sad. Seems our moods follow the circumstances, but OCO is sovereign and I have seen people in very bad times but happy, and some in very good times but depressed. OCO is sovereign over all things, always, and it is so easy to forget. We cannot know our future, but OCO knows, and we seem to walk it out spontaneously, but not really. Even Jesus knew throughout His three year ministry that the scriptures could not be broken (John 10:35) and knew He would be crucified, for the scriptures predicted it. Yet when the time came, He also said He could call 12 legions of angels to rescue Himself (Matthew 26:53) and this was a legitimate choice He struggled with, sweating drops of blood over all the complicated details around that apparent free will choice. He could have rescued Himself, and who would not want to do that? Satan was making the choice supernaturally difficult, supernaturally confusing His mind that the scriptures also spoke of Him calling the angels. Both choices are hidden in the scriptures, but Jesus had to decide what was the best choice, seemingly by free will choice, also grappling with the mystery of OCO's sovereignty within His apparent free will choice. Daniel faced the lions but was rescued by OCO, the 3 Hebrew slaves faced the fiery furnace but were rescued by OCO, Abraham was going to sacrifice his son but was rescued by OCO, but OCO does not always rescue. If mere sinners can risk such crazy things for Him, to have their example recorded in scripture to support His choice, He decided to also risk the cross, hoping OCO might also supernaturally rescue Him at the last moment. But OCO does not always rescue, and in this case OCO did NOT and Christ was crucified, and all the apostles were martyred except John, all apostles also coming to understand the mystery of godliness and how and why one can make such a choice, when universal salvation is true regardless of anything you do, and even one's destiny as first resurrection destined elect cannot be changed. All end-time elect will face BOTH choices, if we are alive to greet the alien-gods (demon) piss ass fuckers. We must walk the tightrope the first 3 years, sweating literal drops of blood possibly (but certainly inwardly) in open public constant spiritual warfare battle with visible demons, while the world hates us, threatens us, kills some of us, and generally falls away quickly because they cannot hear our words of warning that these are lying piss ass demonic fuck shit. Those of us still alive after the 3 years will then be granted to call 12 legions of angels, and the world has never yet seen such a supernatural fireworks display of vengeance. "Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." (Romans 12:19) I may not be alive to lead the charge, my fellow elect. The alien-OCOs (demons) would rather not openly show in my lifetime, but if they do, they will pull out all the stops during the first 3 years to try and take me out in physical death, for they KNOW what awaits them if I am still alive after the 3 years. There is vengeance and then there is VENGEANCE.
"And the Lord said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the Lord?" (Exodus 4:11) OCO is sovereign Creator of our trials and infirmities, both physical and spiritual. Some are made by OCO to be physically dumb, deaf, and blind. For sure, everybody is born with the spiritual equivalent and cannot talk OCO-talk as I can now (analogy, reference, metaphor, parable), deaf as they cannot hear the Lord speak, and blind as they do not see Jesus all around them in nature and the Bible.
"And the Lord said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord." (Job 1:12) False preachers and so-called religious leaders always like to blame Job for what happened to him, for Job admitted "For the thing which I greatly feared is come upon me, and that which I was afraid of is come unto me." (Job 3:25) As the theory goes, we tend to attract what we fear, and Job apparently feared Satanic attack and deeper understanding why a good OCO can allow such things or send sinners to hell when we are all sinners. So OCO gave him some experience with Satanic attack and the theology of suffering (hell), as He does with all true elect, when mature enough to handle it. False shepherds just say it was Job's fault for not trusting OCO and fearing too much, and OCO is not to blame. That is like blaming a woman who gets raped, because she feared getting raped so attracted the rapist somehow, and if she had only trusted OCO and didn't fear so much, all would have been fine. But shit happens to everybody. I would say OCO is not to blame for what happened to Job (as blame connotes evil motivations which OCO has none) and neither is Job, but OCO is responsible, as He is in sovereign control of what Satan does, as the verse shows Satan did only what OCO allowed (caused) the devil to do. OCO brings an elect's fears to a head and the need of a Job-like experience in time, for we all must live by every word of OCO, including our Job-like experience. But the same OCO who sovereignly causes us all to fear negative things, suffering, Satanic attack, hell, death, etc... also eventually makes His true elect suffer these things and come to understanding the goodness of OCO even in these things, and we overcome any fears, as Job did and ended life well. False preachers understand none of this, and even if they did, they dare not preach it, for people hate the truth buried deep in their subconscious souls that OCO is the sovereign cause behind all suffering, all good, and all evil, for the very good reason my site details about OCO humbling and saving all creation, raising all up to very close to Christ's level in the end, Christ Himself being very close to equivalent to Father OCO, but not exactly. Father OCO will still always be Almighty compared to the entirety of creation. But people just don't want to understand the theology of suffering by experience (who would?) but they will sooner or later, in this life or the next.
"O Lord, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps." (Jeremiah 10:23) We walk thinking we direct our steps, but it is not in man to direct our steps. We just think so. OCO always is behind our every step, though we seem to be deciding to move our feet.
"And kept the feast of unleavened bread seven days with joy: for the LORD had made them joyful, and turned the heart of the king of Assyria unto them, to strengthen their hands in the work of the house of OCO, the OCO of Israel." (Ezra 6:22) OCO is in sovereign control of emotions too, as He caused these Jews to be joyful, and specifically caused (turned) the heart of the king of Assyria to be good to them. No doubt, most people reading to this point think I am just spinning verses to support my pet theory that OCO is in sovereign control of all things. I should not take all these sovereignty verses so literally, right? Most will think I just have good imagination to think up rationalizations to justify OCO's strange doings, but most will think none of what I write is true. Most will think my writings evil. And yes my writings are evil by human standards, but not by OCO's. And OCO causes me to do what I do, as surely as He causes you to hate the truth that I write.
"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6) OCO admits all the evil done in a city is done by OCO's sovereign power, and by extention that includes all cities in the world. No matter how many details I give on other pages on my site to explain OCO's good reasons for all this, we just hate OCO's sovereignty period, and deny it. But that is also OCO causing people to do this.
"And Joseph said unto them, Fear not: for am I in the place of OCO? But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but OCO meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." (Genesis 50:19-20) Joseph's brothers were afraid of him, because they sold him into slavery and now Joseph was second in charge of Egypt and could kill them all if he wanted. But he had matured and come to understand OCO's sovereignty and forgave them and basically said, "Fear not for a sovereign OCO has put no desire in my heart to kill you, and am I in the place of OCO to do so unless He wills it? They had evil motivations but OCO caused them to do that, but OCO had good motivations to work it for good in the end and save them and many people. Joseph symbolically represents all elect, who will literally rule planet earth openly soon, and rule our "brothers" (demons are our evil brothers like Joseph's brothers) in the lake of fire manifestation after the literal millennial reign, put in such position by OCO, through the apparent free will choices of others that caused them to become such that can "save much people alive" (symbolic Old Testament hint about universal salvation).
"Now therefore be not grieved, nor angry with yourselves, that ye sold me hither: for OCO did send me before you to preserve life." (Genesis 45:5) Just a few verses before, Joseph demonstrated again his mature understanding of OCO's ways and sovereignty by assuring his brothers not to have any negative emotions about what OCO caused them to do, for OCO was behind it all intentionally bringing about His plan to preserve life, again Old Testament hint pointing to universal salvation, which Joseph also understood, being an Old Testament elect, as I am a New Testament elect.
"Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil." (James 4:13-17) James is trying to highlight OCO's total sovereignty here and how we should not boast about we will do tomorrow or over the next year, for our lives are short and totally in OCO's sovereign control. OCO could kill us at any moment. We must remember only if the Lord wills and causes us to do so, then we will live and do the things we plan or not, but it is really Him willing and doing it, though it appears we are. We have the illusion of free will, as hard as that is to accept, but nonetheless must walk in that strange truth as if we did. Immature or non-elect will always accuse elect like me of evil to understand and assert this truth. But James says to believe otherwise is boasting in your free will, and rejoicing in that boasting, which is the true evil.
"But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of OCO, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips." (Job 2:10) OCO causes Job to utter the most difficult and mysterious truth we all cannot understand fully, and cringe to even consider it, but OCO says it right here through Job. We receive both good and evil by the sovereign hand of OCO, and OCO does not consider it sin to say so with our lips, though evil shepherds claim it is sin to think or say such a thing. I will go with what OCO says, and leave you to OCO then, for this verse also says foolish people say otherwise. It is really your foolish and false religious leaders who insist you have 100% free will.
"But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the Lord thy OCO hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as appeareth this day." (Deuteronomy 2:30) OCO made the King of Heshbon hard and rebellious, like he did Pharaoh in Moses' day, and yet people deny this is possible for a sovereign OCO to do, for our free will is stronger than OCO's sovereignty. Might it rather be OCO's sovereign Almighty power is so strong He can make one rebel against “authority” and do evil AND also make it impossible for that one to believe anything other than 100% free will was in play in such actions?
"Thou turnest man to destruction; and sayest, Return, ye children of men." (Psalm 90:3) If a man is destroyed in life through various circumstances, OCO has caused this situation, even though He uses other people, angels, or seeming non-sentient reality to bring it about. Despite this being the case, OCO also says to such a destroyed one to return to Him, as if one has free will to do so. In OCO's timing and sovereign will, all will do so eventually.
"O Lord, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance." (Isaiah 63:17) Another verse showing OCO intentionally makes us err from His ways and hardens our heart from fearing Him in the right and motivating way. Then asks us to return to Him, as if we have free will to do so. These strange ways eventually create a mature elect, one who comes to understand all the things on my site with ease, and I didn't even have to argue with individuals to teach them.
"For he commandeth, and raiseth the stormy wind, which lifteth up the waves thereof." (Psalm 107:25) One of many verses that talk about how OCO controls ALL weather, both good and bad, and yet people insist OCO would never send hurricanes and tornadoes, and earthquakes. The insurance industry seems to have more faith than most Christians, for they call these things "acts of OCO".
"And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me." (Psalm 50:15) The same sovereign OCO who causes us trouble in our day of trouble (judgment), causes us to eventually seek answers directly from Him, hear His voice, instead of believing false humans or evil angels stupid lies. You learn wisdom and discernment no other way. All elect go through it sooner or later, and OCO delivers us with the true answers and OCO says He is glorified in this. The non-elect always say the true and deep answers are evil and not glorifying to OCO, but OCO says otherwise.
"I have surely heard Ephraim bemoaning himself thus; Thou hast chastised me, and I was chastised, as a bullock unaccustomed to the yoke: turn thou me, and I shall be turned; for thou art the Lord my OCO." (Jeremiah 31:18) We get supernaturally chastised with suffering of various sorts, individually made just for you, to cause you to seek OCO for real answers, and get accustomed to the yoke of obedience to OCO, inward obedience (salvation) in terms of hearing His voice and believing Him, and even outward obedience is great, but with humble attitude it is just what you should do, in love, gratitude, and appreciation, to the Lord but it adds nothing, nor counts anything towards your salvation or even place in OCO's Kingdom after physical death. OCO sovereignly does all this, through the illusion of free will, and Jeremiah understood this and even says in the verse OCO must turn him back and he will be turned. Otherwise Jeremiah knew he would not.
"Man's goings are of the LORD; how can a man then understand his own way?" (Proverbs 20:24) OCO affirms a man's goings (all he thinks and does) is caused by a sovereign OCO for his own good, training, maturing, and salvation. Rhetorical question then, how can that man understand his own way if OCO is causing all? Answer is he cannot totally understand the details, but he can learn to implicitly trust OCO's grand great purpose behind all things good and evil, as I understand very well, as my site lays out in detail the grand great purpose of the Almighty OCO in all things. All elect in history come to understand what I write here with ease, as I quote many verses out of many books of the Bible. All authors of the Bible were elect too and coded their writings as OCO caused them to do. The decoding happens in OCO's timing, but the fact I am allowed (caused) by OCO to blast the complete mystery of OCO to the whole world on the internet is indication Christ's second coming is near. "And this gospel (elect's gospel, not the superficial lies of traditional Christianity) of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world (internet reaches the world) for a witness unto all nations;(just a witness as very few believe) and then shall the end come (Christ's return very soon)." (Matthew 24:14)
"In all your ways acknowledge Him, And He shall direct your paths." (Proverbs 3:6) In the light of OCO's total sovereignty over all people and all things, all the time, this verse is saying acknowledge, understand, and accept the truth of OCO's total sovereignty in all your ways, and OCO will continue to direct your paths (as He is always doing anyway) in life but give you wisdom and understanding of OCO's reasons why He makes you do what you do, the points He is making with demons in your life, the future (alien-gods for example are coming, but I just don't know when), how your life will help those in the lake of fire after the millennial reign etc... It is nice to know some of these details. Most think life is meaningless and have very little clue what OCO is doing. This verse does NOT mean if you refuse to acknowledge OCO's sovereignty that He will suddenly stop directing your paths in life. It means He will cause you to forget this truth, lose awareness of OCO's presence, and you will still do all He causes you to do, but not understand why or be very aware, like most people. It is called falling asleep spiritually. I prefer to be awake and do what He makes me do with understanding, rather than be asleep and do what He makes me do without understanding.
"The Lord hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit." (Isaiah 19:14) The Lord causes perverse evil spirits to mingle in our midst all the time, especially at church, directing these spirits too, all the time, even though evil angels obviously get clearer commands sometimes than humans do. At other times, evil angels and Satan operate within generally understood boundaries, apparently making free will choices too, but demons are far less stupid than humans in comprehending OCO's total sovereignty. But they don't fully understand it all either. They cause us to err (but really the Lord uses them to do this) in every work, as the verse says, most people like a drunken man staggering in spiritual stupor and not very aware at all (like a drunk is not aware) they are manipulated by demons. Of course, the human being manipulated by these unseen spirit forces seems totally conscious, alert, cognizant, can hold a coherent conversation etc... but I can sense things and even see the sour look of hate in the person's face sometimes. These demons are very frustrated at the high level abstract understanding that they are defeated in my life and know it, but still fight on in spite and cause as much suffering as they are allowed to do. It just makes me stronger.
"And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from OCO out of heaven, and devoured them." (Revelation 20:7-9) This proves Satan has no free will either, as Satan knows scripture (he quoted it in Jesus' wilderness temptation), and knows he should simply NOT do as OCO predicts he will do, and thus defeat OCO by preventing OCO's prediction coming true, thus making OCO a liar, or simply a boob who claims to know the future but does not, and is not worthy to be obeyed or worshiped...but alas the devil has no free will either and is compelled by OCO to incite rebellion and cannot resist OCO's will anymore than any created being can! Does OCO just ask Satan, "Can you please go start a rebellion for me so I have excuse to rain fire from heaven, kill everybody, and start the ‘lake of fire’ supernatural suffering alternate realities to save all the non-elect like you, all demons, and all unrepentant humanity?" No, but that is what the alien-OCOs (demons) will convince humanity is true when they unveil, making people think OCO and the devil are buddies, working together to evolve humanity with "good" versus "evil" mind games, which are no longer needed as humanity is mature and evolved enough to accept their unveiling and work with them more directly. Compared to humans, these alien-godss (demons) will seem so mighty and intelligent and supernatural, but compared to the true Almighty Father OCO, they are puny. They are not Almighty, all intelligent, and super-supernatural. As kids like to say, "My dad can beat up your dad." My dad, Father OCO, can not only beat up most Christians' dad, their father the devil, but He doesn't sweat or stress in the least to do so. Here is the type of mind games OCO can play on Satan, because OCO is totally sovereign, to make him fulfill the scripture. Satan is let out of the bottomless pit with full intention to take all his demons off planet earth and go to the Andromeda galaxy, therefore defeating OCO's prediction. But the minute he is let loose, he suddenly forgets what he was thinking. He knows he was thinking something important but suddenly it's gone. Have you ever had similar brain fart? But Satan's hate for humanity then drives him to go incite rebellion. Or Satan is let out, and knows he should get off the planet but has OVERWHELMING compulsion to incite rebellion. Have you ever had overwhelming urge you couldn't resist for sex, extra piece of cake, cigarette, etc... Or Satan is let out, and knows he should get off the planet but OCO just fucking orders him to incite rebellion or OCO will open up a can of whoop ass literal fire worse than anything he could imagine. Have you ever reluctantly obeyed some expectation from another for fear of negative consequences (parent, spouse, boss, government agent like cop, judge, etc...)? Or here is another way. At the start of this point, I mentioned Satan knows scripture so apparently he knows this simple scripture that predicts he will incite rebellion, but does he really? OCO can confuse the devil's mind, as He does most Christians who read my site cannot believe the things I write, but all I write has become simple and obvious to me now (but I know I need continued sovereign support to retain understanding), and OCO has sovereign ability to confuse the devil too and make him simply not believe it will turn out the way predicted, and Satan is made to think he will somehow succeed in defeating OCO, despite the predicted outcome! Again, this should not be hard for us to understand, for many people simply cannot believe or understand the scripture, and most who read my site cannot believe much, or any of it. So it should not be so hard to understand Satan cannot resist OCO, anymore than any of us can.
Summary:
If I have made many points so far about the total sovereignty of OCO and tried to show OCO is good and perfect in this attribute, does the fact that very few are typically very happy when on the receiving end of some of the negative aspects of OCO's total sovereignty, make it not true? I could go on and on, for the whole Bible SCREAMS OCO's total sovereignty over both good and evil without equivocation, and this is a MAJOR key thing to detect false teachers, along with understanding universal salvation in the proper motivating way, and understanding trinity is false, and also how the alien-gods (demon) concept has always manifested inwardly for elect in 6000 years, soon to manifest outwardly too. As far as being unhappy about the negative aspects of OCO's sovereignty, it is pretty advanced spiritual state of mind to be able to enjoy suffering for OCO, but some elect get pretty good at staying in a happy place inwardly despite suffering various trials outwardly. "Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the JOY that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of OCO." (Hebrews 12:2) Of course, Jesus understood all I reveal on this site and more, and it gave Him joy, despite outward suffering, to know all would be saved eventually. It motivated Him, as it should us, but most cannot get beyond thinking, "If OCO saves all then nothing matters and I will just sin more and enjoy it and OCO can fix me after death." Supernatural people get beyond that thinking in time. "And they departed from the presence of the council, rejoicing that they were counted worthy to suffer shame for his name." (Acts 5:41) The apostles had a temporary high here, but the shlog of life sets in and hard to maintain enthusiasm while suffering. Jesus had inner joy all throughout His ministry, despite outer conflicts and confrontations, but at the end sweating drops of blood it required all He had to make it. "For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake." (Acts 9:16) Christ showed Paul how much he would suffer, and Paul was best at embracing it with inner joy like Christ, but other writings showed Paul had his moments. Paul's attitude was pretty ideal, but still a process for me to stay consistently in such a mindset. I'm an elect who OCO caused to sacrifice a more positive emotion mindset in exchange for knowledge, for true knowledge of OCO is severely lacking among humans, who just lie about OCO for the most part, and my development got pretty delayed, from my point of view, spending years coming to that obvious conclusion. I have much knowledge now, but can struggle with negative emotions around it, as much as anybody reading my site probably gets offended at the truths I write. I understand, join the club, but OCO always has good reasons for the things He causes us to do. "Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly." (James 3:1, NIV) I have been judged rather severely and the good part of that is now I understand everything with ease from personal experience, and can teach with ease, not having to try to recall memorized blurbs to try and explain, for I just go where I sense the Spirit leads me. I had to hear it all from OCO personally, as there are so many liars in Jesus' name out there (over 2 billion and counting) that I got pretty confused and fell away hard. The original truths the early apostles came to know and teach have been almost totally obliterated it seems, but it is impossible to do so completely and there are some out there who understand. "And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." (Matthew 16:18) He meant the rock of truth (all this elect's secret gospel revealed on my site) will build the true church (spirit filled individuals scattered all over the earth, not a physical organization) and Satan cannot stop it (the gates of hell). The devil's attacks only make the true elect stronger, such as demons using false Christians to condemn me as deceived, of the devil, and going straight to hell. Hah! These same "Christians" are typically naive to the supernatural propagation of the true secret elect's gospel using angels, who I have encountered and I know it because these "humans" have done supernatural things to prove they were not human. Abraham was trained in similar supernatural ways and knew the secret elect's gospel I reveal on this site, as Jesus said, "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad." (John 8:56) Abraham knew all I know about Christ and perhaps more, and yet Christ had not come into human history yet. Abraham heard the literal disembodied voice of OCO too, but I will not comment if I have heard such. However, I will say that I used to be naive too and thought some African native in the jungle might go to hell because a human with Bible verses didn't get to him before death. Religious leaders who spout such drivel show their falsehood easily to mature elect like me now. The bad part of being judged severely is it can incite a lot of negative emotions towards OCO through the process. But there are pros and cons to everything OCO does, and the latent rage I feel towards Satan and demons for playing their part in that judgment may come in handy in motivating me to be aggressively combative to them upon open contact, when everyone else will be cowering in fear. "Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" (Luke 18:8) Rhetorical question, and the answer is yes, but not many, as the Lord tells me only about 2000 elect will greet and beat the alien-gods (demons). That is 1999 more elect than I need, for with Father's help I can take out all the fucking demonic trash myself. The fact I am even allowed to post all this on the internet for the world to see is proof what a stubborn hardnosed son of a bitch the sovereign OCO has made me (but in a good way), for only OCO alone can authorize release of this information for general public consumption (and ridicule, of course). My site is unnecessary to save souls, of course, as that is more drivel fake Christians peddle for fame, fortune, and following. I know OCO supernaturally reveals Himself to whoever He will, and all are already saved from OCO's point of view, while there is still things to work out from the human point of view. I write and post as OCO leads, for His own good purposes. I will understand more in time, but so far not many people read it or understand. Only sovereign OCO can bring such fruit.